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Re: US Open 3rd Round 2018

Post by CoJack on Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:00 pm

Just watched Phil's interview and was disgusted. He couldn't just apologize and say he was wrong.

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Post by omiller315 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:05 pm

CoJack wrote:Just watched Phil's interview and was disgusted. He couldn't just apologize and say he was wrong.

I expected him to say he was just speeding up play since he was already out of the tournament. Him and Beef were both stinking up the course today and I am sure were holding up the group behind. Guess that wasn't the actual reason he did it though. Shame.

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Post by gophil36 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:29 pm

Well, I think he snapped because he wants it so badly and knew he was out of the tournament. If he said he'd lost it, I think he might have been DQ'd. Something must be wrong with me, but I really understand the frustration. Every time I watch this tournament, I think it's not as much fun as it should be, as it just looks too hard sometimes. He's at the end of his career, and I think he knows time's running (run) out. I am giving him a pass. I have always expected more from him, but it's a game where some players throw clubs, curse, break clubs, etc. Lots of people on social media are not being as hard on him as those on this fan site, and I think that it's because we've come to appreciate his manner and fairness. Always a gentleman. He lost it.

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Post by dortt on Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:32 pm

It was out of character.

However, what he did was cheating and he needs to pay severely for it

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Post by gophil36 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:40 pm

Well, it was an infraction which cost him two penalty strokes. As quickly as it happened, it was not as if it were premeditated. I admit that it's disappointing, but it's not a sneaky infraction, as misplacing a marked ball, etc. It happened too quickly. The little boy in Phil took over the one who is usually in control. Frustration. With his game for sure, and possibly the set up again in his opinion. Easy to hate the set up when you can't score or are not playing well.

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Post by bulls9999 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:43 pm

Wow, I just went back and saw the video (just got back from golfing with wife...she shot 87, I shot 86 :-)

https://twitter.com/usopengolf/status/1008062552780107776

Amazing someone of the caliber of Phil or heritage of Phil doing something like that; but I guess you can argue, he paid the legal price (2 strokes), so what's the problem? But still, Phil, let John Daley do that kind of stuff, not you. This is taking him down a notch in respect by the industry I would suspect. Dumb dumb dumb.

I guess it's appropriate.... US Open ..... "I'm such an idiot".
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Post by gophil36 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:08 pm

Zach Johnson just said they've lost the course. Dustin Johnson just bogeyed 3 in a row. Phil was surely beyond frustrated!

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Post by dortt on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:12 pm

gophil36 wrote:Zach Johnson just said they've lost the course. Dustin Johnson just bogeyed 3 in a row. Phil was surely beyond frustrated!

there were 66s in the morning when Phil played

Had he kept his head on, he could have been leading after today. Now he's facing a DQ

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Post by gophil36 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:18 pm

He might not care at this point. Supposedly the loss of thousands of dollars is the penalty for a DQ. Phil likely doesn't care right now, but after giving it some thought and cooling off, he'll moderate what he said. He still hasn't gotten over his last loss here.

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Post by CoJack on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:22 pm

If Phil could of played even par today, he would be in this thing. Daniel Berger definitely took advantage of the morning conditions.

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Post by gophil36 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:26 pm

Both Phil and Beef were awful. I think Phil was worried about the setup and it got in his head. I was rooting for Rickie. But he is 10 over now for the day.

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Post by j58golf on Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:01 pm

If the rules officials said it was a 2 shot penalty and they unanimously said that then who are you to say DQ. I get it you don't like it and not proper but they said let the punishment fit the crime and DQ was too harsh.


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Post by dortt on Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:06 pm

j58golf wrote:If the rules officials said it was a 2 shot penalty and they unanimously said that then who are you to say DQ. I get it you don't like it and not proper but they said let the punishment fit the crime and DQ was too harsh.


David Fay agrees with the DQ, especially after Phil's interview where he said it was deliberate to gain an advantage

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Post by j58golf on Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:28 pm

dortt wrote:
j58golf wrote:If the rules officials said it was a 2 shot penalty and they unanimously said that then who are you to say DQ. I get it you don't like it and not proper but they said let the punishment fit the crime and DQ was too harsh.


David Fay agrees with the DQ, especially after Phil's interview where he said it was deliberate to gain an advantage

Doug Ferguson tweeted Fay had opportunity in 1998 1999 to DQ Daly and Triplett and didn't. Don't know what they verbally said after the incident but no DQ

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Post by bulls9999 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:37 pm

Why should he be DQ’d? Phil knew the rule and played it. Yea, he gamed the system, i don’t like that decision, but it’s legal.
j58golf wrote:If the rules officials said it was a 2 shot penalty and they unanimously said that then who are you to say DQ. I get it you don't like it and not proper but they said let the punishment fit the crime and DQ was too harsh.

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Re: US Open 3rd Round 2018

Post by dortt on Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:51 pm

j58golf wrote:
dortt wrote:
j58golf wrote:If the rules officials said it was a 2 shot penalty and they unanimously said that then who are you to say DQ. I get it you don't like it and not proper but they said let the punishment fit the crime and DQ was too harsh.


David Fay agrees with the DQ, especially after Phil's interview where he said it was deliberate to gain an advantage

Doug Ferguson tweeted Fay had opportunity in 1998    1999  to DQ Daly and Triplett and didn't. Don't know what they verbally said after the incident but no DQ

Rule 33-2 was introduced several years after those incidents

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Post by CoJack on Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:25 pm

If Tiger did what Phil did, every person on this board would be saying Tiger should be disqualified. The game is based on integrity and I would hope Phil would just admit what he did was wrong and withdraw. If he plays tomorrow, he will be the story and not the tournament, which is unfair to the guys who are contending.

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Re: US Open 3rd Round 2018

Post by bulls9999 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:30 pm

Rule 19 - Ball in Motion Deflected or Stopped

Definitions

All defined terms are in italics and are listed alphabetically in the Definitions section.

19-1. By Outside Agency

If a player's ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any outside agency, it is a rub of the green, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, except:

a. If a player's ball in motion after a stroke other than on the putting green comes to rest in or on any moving or animate outside agency, the ball must through the green or in a hazard be dropped, or on the putting green be placed, as near as possible to the spot directly under the place where the ball came to rest in or on the outside agency, but not nearer the hole, and

b. If a player's ball in motion after a stroke on the putting green is deflected or stopped by, or comes to rest in or on, any moving or animate outside agency, except a worm, insect or the like, the stroke is canceled. The ball must be replaced and replayed.

If the ball is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be substituted.

Exception: Ball striking person attending or holding up flagstick or anything carried by him - see Rule 17-3b.

Note: If a player's ball in motion has been deliberately deflected or stopped by an outside agency:

(a) after a stroke from anywhere other than on the putting green, the spot where the ball would have come to rest must be estimated. If that spot is:

(i) through the green or in a hazard, the ball must be dropped as near as possible to that spot;
(ii) out of bounds, the player must proceed under Rule 27-1; or
(iii) on the putting green, the ball must be placed on that spot.

(b) after a stroke on the putting green, the stroke is canceled. The ball must be replaced and replayed.

If the outside agency is a fellow-competitor or his caddie, Rule 1-2 applies to the fellow-competitor.

(Player's ball deflected or stopped by another ball - see Rule 19-5)

19-2. By Player, Partner, Caddie or Equipment

If a player's ball is accidentally deflected or stopped by himself, his partner or either of their caddies or equipment, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke. The ball must be played as it lies, except when it comes to rest in or on the player's, his partner's or either of their caddies' clothes or equipment, in which case the ball must through the green or in a hazard be dropped, or on the putting green be placed, as near as possible to the spot directly under the place where the ball came to rest in or on the article, but not nearer the hole.

Exceptions:

1. Ball striking person attending or holding up flagstick or anything carried by him - see Rule 17-3b.

2. Dropped ball - see Rule 20-2a.

(Ball purposely deflected or stopped by player, partner or caddie - see Rule 1-2)

19-3. By Opponent, Caddie or Equipment in Match Play
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Post by bulls9999 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:32 pm

1-2. Exerting Influence on Movement of Ball or Altering Physical Conditions

A player must not (i) take an action with the intent to influence the movement of a ball in play or (ii) alter physical conditions with the intent of affecting the playing of a hole.

Exceptions:

1. An action expressly permitted or expressly prohibited by another Rule is subject to that other Rule, not Rule 1-2.

2. An action taken for the sole purpose of caring for the course is not a breach of Rule 1-2.

*Penalty for Breach of Rule 1-2:

Match play - Loss of hole; Stroke play - Two strokes.

*In the case of a serious breach of Rule 1-2, the Committee may impose a penalty of disqualification.

Note 1: A player is deemed to have committed a serious breach of Rule 1-2 if the Committee considers that the action taken in breach of this Rule has allowed him or another player to gain a significant advantage or has placed another player, other than his partner, at a significant disadvantage.

Note 2: In stroke play, except where a serious breach resulting in disqualification is involved, a player in breach of Rule 1-2 in relation to the movement of his own ball must play the ball from where it was stopped, or, if the ball was deflected, from where it came to rest. If the movement of a player's ball has been intentionally influenced by a fellow-competitor or other outside agency, Rule 1-4 applies to the player (see Note to Rule 19-1).
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Re: US Open 3rd Round 2018

Post by gophil36 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:39 pm

Well, Tiger took an incorrect drop at the Masters, definitely gained an advantage, and they decided not to DQ him. He may have signed an incorrect scorecard as well. Not sure of the facts. I really am not that upset about it. He knew he wasn't going to win and acted immaturely. Was penalized for it as well. I remember the Daly incident, and he just kept whacking it!

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Post by Admin on Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:14 pm

What a mess--USGA can't get anything right

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Post by dortt on Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:38 pm

the course was fine. Was a LOT slower than the final round of 2004. That day, Goosen was putting from 60 yards short of greens

That said, there was some AWFUL golf played today. How is it that we saw 71s shot the final day of 2004 in MUCH more difficult conditions (final 10 groups today had a stroke average of 77, the average was 78.7 that day), and the best today outside of the early starters was 72?

What I'm seeing are players that do not know how to hit a short game shot with anything other than a lob wedge. That does not work on a links course. Go back to 2004 and 1995, you saw so little of that. It was putting or bumping and running.

The course was slower than the THIRD ROUND of 2004 when Phil 3 whacked on 7. Average that day was 73. Simply smarter golf played then than now


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Post by bulls9999 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:53 pm

I just watched all the Golf Channel interviews with USGA officials, the golf analysts, and even A. Johnston and all I can say is...

just another Dumb-ass Phil Moment. Shaking my head as one of my favorite players just tarnished himself a bit.
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Post by bulls9999 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:57 pm

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Post by gophil36 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:10 pm

Phil has thought it over and is backtracking a bit. I knew that he would. Still doubt that he would have cared if hed been DQd. Playing with Rickie tomorrow. I think the course was too much harder for the leaders today to be fair. It's a game. In the scheme of things--it's entertainment. Up to the commentators to keep it going and Phil gives them lots to talk about.

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